The Emmy and Tony award-winning actor talks about growing up gay in Tennessee, losing theater friends during the AIDS epidemic and playing the head of a family-owned media group on Succession. But it's, you know - it's why we're in the state we're in. This is also where your character and Ali first sleep together. In the 1960s, of course, Jones played a succession of female authority figures on the BBC’s “Monty Python’s Flying Circus,” many withering in … GROSS: Yeah. We'll talk more after we take a break. And it really did make me cringe when I read it on the page. Is that normal? And people want to get rid of them. And then here I was, just two generations later, and I wanted to take my white skin off in that moment. And it's played as a drama, but there's something really funny about it because they're so over-the-top selfish and, like, money-hungry. Holly Hunter and J. Smith-Cameron and I all have come up together. GROSS: Were you working on Broadway or off-Broadway at the peak of the AIDS epidemic? My grandmother, who would never have considered herself racist, felt that it was better that this man had died than lived to continue the work he was doing. And my sister and Sophie and I started participating. I love that you can so convincingly play, like, an old money, very entitled woman. HOFFMANN: (As Ali) Even their grad students. We had no idea when we left New York, mainly because I couldn't get up and down my apartment stairs, that we were going to be there for months. GPB is committed to bringing you comprehensive news coverage from Georgia, across the country and around the world. And, of course, I couldn't get close to playing Eileen because she is such an original. You want to be my student? JONES: And that actually helped a lot. - 'cause I don't want to be intrusive. Terry Jones says there are some definite steps business leaders can and should take to ensure their company is hearing employees’ ideas, recognizing opportunities, and ensuring a clear path to execution. It's sort of more like a - like metaphorical holocausts. As part of Monty Python, he was known … In the series "Transparent," she played a lesbian who is a well-known poet and professor. How did they handle that? COX: (As Logan Roy) Well, to be fair, you don't have an offer. JONES: You know? HOFFMANN: (As Ali) I'm not - I didn't know that I was. And honestly, I do understand that. And it's just so cringe-worthy, in an instant, understanding who this woman is. And then as he started doing op-eds, he was such a champion so early on for getting federal help towards curing AIDS. Were there people who are, like, old money, entitled, with an estate that you could draw on for, you know, the style of speaking and the body language? But it's just never been anything - I guess I just never cared about it. And the miracle of that show is that because of that I managed to be home with my parents in Tennessee two weeks every month for the last three years of their lives. Thank you. So it's official. But it is, at the end of the day, entertainment. JONES: (As Nan Pierce) I think we would also like to have a conversation about management. See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Terry… And that was just enough cover that I needed to say yes to it. GROSS: Cherry Jones, welcome to FRESH AIR. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Pearl, and Sir Orfeo (Annotated). It's so cutting. The series is about a rich family who owns and runs a global media empire. JONES: (As Leslie) I want you to be one of my TAs next year. This four-part TV series isn't merely unfolding a crime story —it offers a metaphor for the troubled soul of Northern Ireland, two decades after the Troubles supposedly ended. CHERRY JONES: (As Nan Pierce) Very well. And I - because I'm in the theater and I'm in the not-for-profit theater, had been for many years, of course, at these board dinners, I have met many of these women. And at the same time... JONES: We so enjoy laughing at how ludicrous they are. View Terry Jones’ profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. This feels so different because there's not a soul on earth that has any protection against this. JONES: It's a pleasure to be back with you, Terry. And I said, is it just full of gratuitous violence? Let's get back to my interview with Cherry Jones. She has been married to Sophie Hubersince 2015. Terry has 8 jobs listed on their profile. And at one point, we walked past Frank's director chair, and there it was in black and white - Frank Rich. JONES: (As Leslie) Well, that is tremendous. Please consider making a gift today to support this vital public service. She's nominated for an Emmy for her performance as a guest star in the HBO series "Succession." I'm proud of you. This was years later. It's been great to talk with you. The Roy family is more crude. BRIAN COX: (As Logan Roy) Well, I think that could be hammered out. JONES: (As Leslie) Honestly you are - you're someone that I would really like to take my time with, I would really like to take my time getting to know. extensive experience in agriculture, in succession to Terry Jones, and serving until the sixth Wednesday of the next regular session of the General Assembly, or until a successor is appointed and qualified, whichever is longer. Terry also speaks frequently on corporate business succession and employee ownership. So I knew I wasn't going to lose them. He was named a Massachusetts "Super Lawyer" in 2005, 2006 and 2007, and a New England Super Lawyer for 2007, the first year of that designation. She's nominated for an Emmy for her performance in the HBO series "Succession." Terry has 2 jobs listed on their profile. I'm Terry Gross. Seeing you, I suspect you have not had cosmetic surgery. JONES: I certainly did think of myself as being modeled on Eileen because it's very clear to me - made clear to me by Jill that that's basically who I was playing. So it was delicious to get to tap into all those different women that I've met and either enjoyed or been slightly appalled by. Her family and her media company contrast with Logan Roy's. And the one review that I remember best was for a marvelous Paula Vogel play called "The Baltimore Waltz." And I remember - of course, as I grew older, it was important to me. JONES: (As Leslie, laughter) Even grad students. She's making power for herself. And I had to really butch up because I... JONES: ...I always thought, you know, I was always such a tomboy and sort of big boned. I don't think that people should feel like they have to do it or else they no longer have a career or they can no longer feel decent about themselves. I'll see my friends who've had Botox or whatever. Copyright © 2020 NPR. I like my face. "Good riddance to him, the freeloading bastard, I hope he fries," Cleese told the assembled mourners. And then my Red Bull budget manages - just goes right through the roof. And my sister took us in with open arms, but we basically all three quarantined together - my wife, my sister and I. But I definitely had to develop an easy confidence swagger, that's for sure. Stars: Ian Holm, Mike Bailey, Francis Magee, Tim Plester. If you're just joining us, my guest is Cherry Jones. Jones appeared in "The Glass Menagerie," "Moon for the Misbegotten," "Angels in America" and many other plays. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. Sign up to receive GPB Event announcements via Email. If you like stories that pull the rug out from under you ... don't miss this. And I am so fed up with where we are that I would certainly reconsider if I were to be needed again. Here's Cherry Jones as Nan Pierce. Terence Graham Parry Jones was born in Colwyn Bay, Wales, on Feb. 1, 1942. JONES: I graduated from college in 1978, and then by '82, '83, I was working in Boston. It's like, you knew what could happen, but no one was taking it seriously. Jones died at the age of 77 after suffering from dementia. Goodbye to Brian's mum, and to all her screeching sisters. But I learned very quickly that I - it was one of the more difficult roles I'd ever had because as I attempted it, I - in my seduction of Gaby Hoffmann's character, I would often just blush so much (laughter) that we'd... JONES: ...I would have to - it was very funny to play because I haven't played a lot of - I've played a lot of single women and women who are not married. My understanding is that Frank Rich recommended you for the role. And I said, Mother, for you to grieve over your healthy, happy, stable child for the rest of your life is a sin. And it's for the optics. Martha Paluch Prou – of Bloomfield, as a … Cherry Jones has had a long theater career and has won two Tony Awards. Everybody's always, like, cutting each other. In “Succession,” Jones plays Nan Pierce, the tough-as-nails matriarch of the old-money Pierce family and media giant PGM. It must be so much fun to read these lines. And I remember I was about 12 years old when Martin Luther King was killed, and it was one of the seminal moments in my life. And Frank Rich really got that play and wrote an exquisite review of it and a lovely - I got a lovely notice with that. Born: November 21, 1956in Paris, Tennessee, USA. JONES: (As Nan Pierce) Well, if you won't budge, then I'm afraid we have no deal. JONES: You know, as I was coming up, he was very close to leaving the Times. You were basically always out professionally, but you didn't tell your parents until you were 25. GROSS: You have to play the contradiction in her life in that she runs a progressive, you know, media group, but in her own life, you know, she lives in an estate that's kind of a bubble. And I was 50 years old at that point, but I was like a schoolgirl, you know, to be with Frank Rich. If she wins, it will be her third Emmy after winning for her performances in "24" as President Allison Taylor and in a "Handmaid's Tale" as Offred's mother. GROSS: So Cherry Jones, this character, I think, is supposed to be modeled on Eileen Myles, who is a poet and professor and who at this point in the life of Jill Soloway, the showrunner for "Transparent," they were having a relationship at this point. But I'm going to ask it, and you could tell me you don't want to answer it - OK? Accuracy and availability may vary. COX: (As Logan Roy) That won't be a problem. So I'd gotten to know him a little bit. But it actually kind of relates to what I've been thinking about, you know, this whole pain and anxiety that's just been passed down through the generations, and not just the Holocaust or the pogroms or the Jews shoes. They're all about power and money, and their flagship news operation is comparable to Fox News. It's so you protect yourself. HOFFMANN: (As Ali) Oh, my God. Well, I would've told you if you'd told me that you were bringing her. More at IMDbPro»Contact Info:View … And I remember calling a friend who I trusted, and I said, do - you watch that show, don't you? But perhaps it's for the best because he is starting to stir up so much trouble. She got her first Tony Award for her performance in the 1995 Broadway revival of "The Heiress" and her second for her performance in the 2005 original production of "Doubt." She is an actress, known for The Village(2004), Signs(2002) and The Perfect Storm(2000). But I just had to get in touch with (laughter) my masculinity, I guess. JONES: (As Nan Pierce) Well, it will have to be, or there's no deal. So I want to talk with you about "Transparent." JONES: Like everywhere, until it hits your town, people just don't take it seriously. Your support makes this possible. GABY HOFFMANN: (As Ali) Yeah. I'm Terry Gross, and this is FRESH AIR. I mean, it wouldn't be right for Offred's mother in "Handmaid's Tale" to look too done-to or the character in "Transparent" - or even Nan Pierce in "Succession." It was - that was probably the most telling line for me as an actress about this character. JONES: I compromised myself. I think she will be. GROSS: It must have been so frustrating for you to come from New York at the time when New York was the epicenter of the virus in the U.S. and then go down to a small town - Paris, Tenn., where you grew up - and no one's taking it seriously. Fresh Air For Aug. 31, 2020: 'Succession' Actor Cherry Jones Hear the Fresh Air program for August 31, 2020 The family soon moved to Claygate, near London, for his father’s banking job. And, of course, coming from New York in mid-March, Broadway had just closed. You should have a drink with us. Goodbye to the naked organist. JONES: The first time I actually got to meet Frank Rich was - I had gone to San Francisco to do an interview on City Arts & Lectures - Sydney Goldstein City Arts & Lectures. So Ali is starting graduate school and has been taken under your wing because you're her professor. JONES: Well, you know, it was interesting because I know that I played her maybe as a woman who no longer completely exists. So to find myself at 60 with these - this younger woman, playing these love scenes as this butch lesbian, it was daunting and kind of thrilling at the same time because it felt so unlikely. For an actor, it's always so much more interesting to have a character who, on one hand, seems to be trying to do everything with a sense of responsibility for society, and then you see her patronize this woman who works for her who is doing 50 things at once to put together this magnificent meal for all these fabulously wealthy people. That's great. I was in my early 30s at this point. And if that's true, I want to say thank you. And we would like the person you publicly announce to be Siobhan Roy. After we take a short break, our TV critic David Bianculli will tell us about a new documentary series on Turner Classic Movies about female filmmakers, featuring clips from throughout the history of cinema. And she said, I do. She started to realize that it was ludicrous to spend all this time grieving over such a relatively well-adjusted, happy child. A Black woman worked for my family, and the day after Martin Luther King was shot, my grandmother was sitting - you know, who was born in 1905 in the South - and she said, it's just terrible. GROSS: I think a lot of actresses, a lot of journalists who are on television - a lot of everybody who's in film or television or stage or politics even, that a lot of women and men, too, feel pressure to have cosmetic surgery so that they look younger and so that the lines don't show because, you know, wrinkles are considered, like, very unflattering. So she used that in later life to help a lot of folks in my hometown with their gay children. She's nominated for an Emmy for her performance as a guest star in the HBO series "Succession." JONES: (As Nan Pierce) More important, we would like you to publicly announce a successor. She... JONES: I - it really was about getting the right kind of boots. And then Kiefer had to have some minor surgery that took him out for three weeks, and I was able to be with my mother the last three weeks of her life. Logan Roy is played by Brian Cox. HOFFMANN: (As Ali) Thank you. And it's not because I disapprove of cosmetic surgery. And the writers just get that edge, that tightwire ropewalk just right. And, suddenly, out of nowhere - I'd been playing Sister Aloysius in "Doubt," and I guess the people at "24" thought it was just a lateral move from that nun to the president of the United States, and I got the job. GROSS: So let's take a break here. There were just so many different emotions of watching young men die wretched deaths and some supported by their families, others shunned by their families. This is FRESH AIR. Goodbye to Mr. Creosote. Goodbye to Mr. Creosote. Goodbye to Terry Jones, who has Terry Jones with a young photo and two dogs. 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